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Judgment and Responsibility with Darrell Becker and Wes Bertrand – A Roundtable Discussion with Chris Stefanick on Choice Conversations

Tue, 19 November 2013
CourtIn this conversation Darrell Becker and Wes Bertrand joined me to tackle the topics of judgment and responsibility.  I found that these two things, judgment and responsibility (or denial of responsibility as is often the case) often go together.  We discuss how these topics handled using Non-violent communication (NVC), and go over many examples, including events in the news, sexism, the Free Domain Radio podcast, and more!
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My Interview on Darrell Becker – Voluntary & Non Violent Communication

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Latest Radio ProgramDarrell Becker – Voluntary & Non Violent Communication, October 16, 2013Darrell Becker runs the blog Voluntary Visions which puts focus on the intellectual lenses of the Trivium method of critical thinking, Voluntary Communication, the Non-Aggression Principle, as well as other lenses, so as to create internal and interpersonal emotional and intellectual equilibrium. He’ll discuss the skills of the Trivium Method of critical thinking in conjunction with the skills of using Voluntary Communication (NVC), in order to produce greater inner and interpersonal, intellectual and empathetic equilibrium. Darrell has written an essay on the topic, which we’ll go over including, the the “4D’s” of disconnected communication, using logic and grammar scans, removing personal cognitive dissonance, building bridges of empathy and understanding “emotional and mental splinters.” Hasty generalizations, psychological intrusion, demands and deserve oriented language are examples of diagnoses that are unrequested and will not help you build bridges with others. But we also connect this practice and apply it to understand the best pathway to take when communicating with “authority,” or the ill-mannered. Later, we’ll discuss questions one can ask and answer in order to properly care for their intellectual and emotional lenses. The hour ends on how to view problems or obstacles when looking through a healthy lens.Website:

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NVC and the Trivium Method

Published by: Nathan Fraser on 08-25-2013

Darrell Becker from the Tragedy and Hope online community Joins us this week to discuss his studies on Non Violent Communications, Trivium Method learning, and how to combine the two in order to be more effective communicators of socially taboo and emotionally charged ideas and concepts. We start by examining how to communicate with people who hold apposing points of view in a way that will not automatically put up brick walls, preventing meaningful discussion. HOw can we share new ideas without insulting those who have not yet been exposed? How can we challenge belief systems without making enemies of those we wish to help? This is where NVC comes in. Later, we look at how we can use logic to examine our own belief systems, as to not be passing on bad information. This may not always be the most comfortable thing to do, but it is vital. We wrap it up by combining the two processes into a form of communication that can send ideas to people who are willing to accept them with the least amount of resistance as possible. If you are someone who keeps being shut down when you are trying to wake people up, this is an episode that you do not want to miss.
Derrell’s site is Voluntary Visions
Darrell on a recent broadcast of History Connected can be found HERE.
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My Interview on Choice Conversations – The Trivium and NonViolent Communication with Darrell Becker

Darrell Becker from Tragedy and Hope joined Steve Patterson and me to discuss merging the Trivium with Non-Violent Communication.  This was a fun and fascinating journey into melding two seemingly very different things, a strategy for learning and a strategy for connecting with yourself and others, and finding that the sum of the parts creates something greater.
Darrell is the first person I’ve interviewed where he was the one to initiate contact.  He’s been a long time listener, and it was a new and pleasurable experience to have a fan of the show on as a guest.
Find more from Darrell below:
Darrell on Tragedy and Hope, Merging the Trivium with NVC:
Below you’ll find more information on the topics we discussed:
Previous podcasts on the Trivium:
Non-Violent Communication:
Previous podcasts on Parent Effectiveness Training:
Pete Gerlach’s site on Inner Family Systems Therapy:
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Critical Thinking Meets Critical Empathy: Knowing and Understanding the Intellectual Lens of Non-Violent Communication (NVC)

The Language of Choice, as Juxtaposed to the Ever-Present Language of Obligation
by Darrell Becker
empathy (n.) – the ability to understand and share the feelings of another. 1903, from German Einfühlung (from ein “in” + Fühlung “feeling”), coined 1858 by German philosopher Rudolf Lotze (1817-1881) as a translation of Greek empatheia “passion, state of emotion,” from en “in” + pathos “feeling”. A term from a theory of art appreciation that maintains appreciation depends on the viewer’s ability to project his personality into the viewed object.
choice (n.) – an act of selecting or making a decision when faced with two or more possibilities.
mid-14c., “that which is choice,” from choice (adj.) blended with earlier chois (n.) “action of selecting” (c.1300); “power of choosing” (early 14 c.), “someone or something chosen” (late 14c.), from Old French chois “one’s choice; fact of having a choice” (12 c., Modern French choix), from verb choisir “to choose, distinguish, discern; recognize, perceive, see,” from a Germanic source related to Old English ceosan “to choose, taste, try.” Late Old English chis “fastidious, choosy,” from or related to ceosan, probably also contributed to the development of choice. Replaced Old English cyre “choice, free will,” from the same base, probably because the imported word was closer to choose.
obligation (n.) – the condition of being morally or legally bound to do something. 1300, from Old French obligacion “obligation, duty, responsibility” (early 13c.) and directly from Latin obligationem (nominative obligatio) “an engaging or pledging,” literally “a binding” (but rarely used in this sense), noun of action from past participle stem of obligare. The notion is of binding with promises or by law or duty.
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  1. Introduction
Darrell Becker is a professor of oriental medicine at the Hawaii College of Oriental Medicine (HICOM, found at ), where he teaches and trains student acupuncturists, and helps them navigate through a master’s program, clinical internship in the HICOM community healthcare clinic, and each of the four challenging acupuncture licensure board exams. He teaches Western and Eastern medical classes, as well as practicing holistic medicine and herbalism in his private clinic. Darrell has studied and practiced Non-Violent Communication for three years, and has studied and been finding relevant applications of the Trivium method of critical thinking for 4 years.
His intellectual and NVC-related work can also be seen at, and in the private forum of the Tragedy and Hope community at
  1. Introduction to the Trivium Method of Critical Thinking:
Relevant to the discussion of how NVC fits with the Trivium, it helps to spell out what I mean by the Trivium method:
  1. Grammar: the words, the data, answers Who, What, Where, When (often in that order, but not necessarily). This is what a video camera takes in, but it includes all sense and measurable evidence. This is Knowledge, without deeper evaluation, as a child would take it in.
  1. Logic: the removal of contradictions, answers the question Why, this includes the use of the informal logical fallacies, a literal mental “virus scan”, keeping contradictions to a minimum. This is also the rational methods of an individual, used to divine a course of action, reason and purpose. This is Understanding.
  1. Rhetoric: the practical applications of Grammar and Logic, this answers How. A very important aspect of Rhetoric is the Rhetorical Triangle (RT), where the Author, the Message of the Author, and the intended Audience who receives the Message are analyzed, as well as the Context surrounding the RT. This becomes important when understanding NVC. This is also known as Wisdom, so long as it is describing practical applications and/or actions (including the use of words for such purposes).
“If it’s not practical, it’s not Wisdom.”
  1. The Trivium Method is an intellectual lens, used to focus the adult mind of reason, and from my experience, to go through these steps while learning, doing and teaching produces vastly more predictable and wonderful results, as well as helping to learn the arts of intellectual consistency and cognitive liberty.
  1. NVC—History and Applications:
Discovered by Marshall Rosenberg, himself a student of the methods of Carl Rogers, Rosenberg began codifying the foundational aspects of Non-Violent Communication in 1972, using the format of observations, feelings, and action-oriented wants. Dr. Rosenberg connected the relevance of the emotion being felt by an individual to the values and desires (motivating factors) which that person possessed. By 1992, this had been made into the main format: O-F-N-R, Observations, Feelings, Needs, and Requests.
  1. Observations: without evaluation, as a video camera sees it. These are relatively tangible.
  1. Feelings: the names of the emotions, such as frustration, sadness, anxiety, excitement, joy. These are relatively intangible and are abstract concepts that are attempts at describing very palpable subjectively felt emotions
  1. Needs: these are the intangible values, desires and motivating factors that create feelings within an individual. There are useful lists of both feelings and needs which demonstrate the lack of general or proper nouns or tangible strategies, and show instead a word list which leads to a literacy of feelings and needs. Needs are abstract concepts.
  1. Requests: This refers to actions, whether kinetic (spoken/written words usually) or potential (plans of action spoken silently to one self).
If this is as much NVC as someone learns, it might be that they first learn to speak like this:
“When you do <insert: Observation>, I feel <insert: Feeling>, because my need for
<insert: “Need”> is not being met. Would you be willing to <intert: Request>, so that my need for <insert: “Need”> can be met?”
From my experience, speaking in this way can be off-putting, to say the least. Many people have been learning “Street NVC”, which is when NVC practitioners creatively use words that essentially aim to understand the Feelings and Needs of all individuals who are communicating.
Marshall Rosenberg has also codified the 4 D’s of Disconnected Communication (4D’s), specific methods of creating disconnected feelings such as hostility, anxiety, shame and grief, feelings which could be simultaneously generated internally within both the Author of the Message and the Audience. The 4D’s are:
  1. Demands: as opposed to making requests. Requests allow for the respect of each individual to choose to accept or decline the invitation. “Admit you are wrong for spanking your child!”
  1. Diagnoses (Unrequested): these are un-asked-for labels, adjectives, and diagnoses, and often are interpreted as deeply and undesirably critical in a less-than helpful way. Example: “You’re a Statist!”
  1. Deserve-Oriented Language: these are words designed to imply or describe extrinsic motivating factors such as punishments and rewards, and demonstrate the abdication of personal responsibility, as well as emphasizing obligations of the individual or others. Examples: “You oughta be locked up!” and “You’ve been a good boy, here’s your reward!”
  1. Denial of Responsibility: this is the use of words to openly declare the abdication of responsibility (responsibility in this setting meaning the ability to respond, specifically identified as an opportunity, rather than an obligation). Example: “You made me feel so mad I had to yell at you, so it was your fault!”
The use of the 4D’s in one’s speech or writing is called “Jackal Language” in NVC jargon. Some word lists expand the 4D’s into an evaluative word list, which helps to flesh out the potential feelings and motives of individuals who employ such words.
The NVC practitioner then can incorporate the knowledge and understanding of the internal environment (their own O-F-N-R, Observations, Feelings, Needs, and Requests, or Actionable Strategies).
The person is using the perspective of Abundance: issues are viewed through the lens of “And/Also”, and a Win-Win Scenario is being envisioned and engineered. This is juxtaposed to the perspective of Scarcity: Either/Or, usually a Win-Lose or Lose-Lose Scenario is being envisioned and engineered.
As part of the Abundance Perspective, this person assumes 100% responsibility of all of their own feelings and the values and desires that create those feelings, while still remaining as cognizant as they can of the actualities of cause and effect taking place in the tangible world. Part of this responsibility is involved in the forming of explicit boundaries of desired situations and less preferable situations, communicated to all relevant individuals. The person using NVC also understands and finds acceptance of the fact that, unless explicitly spelled-out by someone, most other people do not take 100% responsibility for their own feelings, as evidenced in the 4th D, Denial of Responsibility. The person notes the use of the 4D’s in the other person, and sees these as ways that the other person is attempting to communicate what they are feeling and what they are motivated by, in terms of their personal values, desires and physical needs. They then attempt to see what the other person sees (observations from the other person’s perspective), to know what the other person Feels, to understand what values and desires are motivating the relevant feelings of the other person (Needs) and to hear what it is the other person may actually be Requesting.
OFNR is now being “run” like a computer program, internally, externally, and continues to run throughout the communication. Coupling this with the Trivium Method described above, the missing Grammar often not known and understood are the Feelings and Motivating Factors (causing those feelings) of the Author and the Audience, adding to the Grammar of the Rhetorical Triangle. OFNR is added to both Grammar and Logic for analysis, as is the knowledge of the use of the 4D’s. The method of one’s own and the other person’s procedure for establishing what is logical is ascertained and understood, using questions that help to isolate how a person makes decisions which are relevant to the communication which is going on. This method being referred to is the other person’s method of making decisions. Knowing and understanding this method is the first goal, finding ways to communicate without touching upon any “cognitive dissonance” related to the method of decision-making is the second goal. As an example, if I prefer to employ the Trivium method mostly, for making decisions, and someone I communicate with prefers to appeal to a particular authority to proclaim the usefulness of their decisions, or if there are certain claims made that seem circular (“The Bible’s true because it says in the Bible that it’s true!”) these methods are identified as part of the other person’s method of thinking. This is important to emphasize: Attempts are made to respect the perspective of the other person, and to demonstrate an accepting and permissive attitude toward the autonomy of the other person to choose as they wish.
There is usually a series of attempts made to create a palpable connection of caring/respect between each of the individuals. O-F-N-R is used to make a guess as to finding a way to connect to any specific individual. In order of potential likelihood of effectively forming a connection, here is a demonstration of the use of the knowledge and understanding of the Feelings and Needs of two people who are communicating:
  1. Speak specifically in reference to the other person’s Needs (motivating factors, values & desires). This means the abstract concepts (see: literacy of needs), with no nouns or proper nouns.
  1. Speak of your own Feelings, as a method of being vulnerable, unless you would think this could be confused with an attempt to solicit pity or some other emotion, in reference to the discussion.
  1. Speak of your own Needs (motivating factors stated in the abstract), unless you would think this could be confused with an attempt to beg or persuade, and if it seems such attempts would not serve to create connection.
  1. Speak of the other person’s Feelings, unless you think this could be confused with some Diagnosing of the other person, or some other psychological “intrusion” into unwanted emotional territory.
Also open to discussion, for the purposes of connecting empathetically and potentially creating intellectual harmony, is communicating about the Observations and Strategies (a.k.a. “Requests” or Actions). It is here that specific acceptable boundaries of each individual, as well as all motivations for continuing the attempts at communication, can be revealed to each other, after a solid connection of empathy has been established. This is a vaguely described situation, due to the nature of the subjective and internally verified situation of people respecting each other, and this implies a practiced skill in applying these tactics.
  1. Speak to how the other person Observed the situation (from their perspective).
  1. Speak to how you Observed the situation, unless you think this could be confused with an attempt to persuade or imply some inaccuracy on the part of the other person.
  1. Speak to how you wish to respond with Requests which could lead to enhanced levels of connection and empathy, unless you see such requests being confused with Demands.
  1. Speak to how the other person choses to respond (their Requests or actions), unless it seems that speaking about the other person’s choice of response is being confused for a Diagnosis.
After establishing an empathetic connection (to whatever degree you deem sufficient for having some meaningful form of communication) the personal limits and boundaries of each individual can be established, if it seems necessary or prudent. The motivations of each individual can be revealed, as far as each individual’s purpose for having any particular discussion, including the ostensible and desired goals of the discussion.
  1. Relevant Metaphors
  1. Splinters in the Mind. Mental Splinters are composed of the dependence and exclusive use of the informal logical fallacies as methods of making important decisions. Emotional Splinters are composed of emotional “wounds” or emotions that indicate values and desires that are not adequately being tended to, and are often used to create decisions that are based upon the “Stimulus-Emotion-Pre-Programmed Response” pattern of the choice of action.
  1. Bridge of Empathy. This refers to the connection of caring between individuals, a perceptible and subjectively felt quality of mutual compassion between communicating individuals.
    The properties of this “Bridge” include the qualities of this bridge only being crossable by the voluntary action of each person to each other person. One cannot push or pull one’s own self or someone else across this bridge, only a voluntary decision to care about each other can constitute the construction of a solid “Bridge of Empathy”.
  1. 18-Wheeler’s of Logic: This refers to the delivery system of each individual’s information and the method of interpretation that is intended for such information. Picture a “Bridge of Empathy” as providing the terrain required to support the “18-Wheeler” truck carrying the logic cargo from one individual to another. A “Manifest” is included in this cargo, listing all of the included information and the relevant rationales being employed and utilized. Each individual is encouraged to voluntarily choose which items are being desired to “unload” off of the truck and utilize, and which are not being valued (at that time) by an individual, and are left on the “truck”.
  1. Examples of the Language of Obligation and the Language of Choice:
Should Prefer to
Must/Need to Decide to
Ought to Shall choose to
Right (moral)/Wrong (immoral) Individually preferable/less preferable
Extrinsically created “Rights” Intrinsically generated respect of individual choices
Either/Or (Debate) And/Also (Discussion)
Scarcity Perspective Abundance Perspective
Win/Lose or Lose/Lose Engineering Win/Win Engineering
Extrinsic Motivations Intrinsic Motivations
Punishments/Rewards received/given External/Internal Cause & Effect known/used
Coercive Situations Voluntary Situations
  1. Identifying the Ramifications of Using the Trivium with NVC Methods: Testing the Tactics.